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General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 Ebay fraud

« on: January 07, 2015, 06:38:35 PM »

Kurt, I say pull it, delete the whole thing. There is plenty more out there, and there always will be. It's not like we are having a discussion about a members car who needs help cause he wants to buy it. You got the info in the DB it's done. There is going to be 100's. That missing tag info is a big piece of information.. Just my opinion... Danny

The problem with removing the thread is that "The Data Base" is privately held and few have access. Nothing will show up if a potential buyer searches a VIN. That's why regular members post these Trim Tags and VIN's, isn't it? To help out fellow enthusiast's?

Besides, this thread is no worse than most reproduction tag flags. Edit it you must, but leave the basic info.

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General Discussion / Re: in case anyone is interested

« on: January 03, 2015, 02:03:50 AM »

this a post from a auction appraiser. 
 
The six figure Z's are no more. $60k for a nice restored car is top of the market regardless of what people are asking

For the archives (because the ebay ad will disappear) Winning bid was $59,100

Clem, you think that was all the money for your old car then?

Interesting to see what the market says later this month in Scottsdale.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Motor vin stamp vs. transmission vin stamp

« on: December 31, 2014, 06:09:50 PM »

Ok 2 questions. First in Johns report, shouldn't it say Pilot bearing, instead of throwout bearing? (I thought the pilot bearing was the one fitted to the back of the block) throw out bearing I thought was mounted to the clutch fork right?

Second in your post I didn't see if they were stamped using the same stamp, or 2 different gang stamps. Looking closely at my trans and motor it appears to be a different stamp, but maybe it just looks different because it is deeper into the softer aluminum on my trans?

there's nothing wrong with how JohnZ stated it...  both the pilot bushing and throwout bearing would have to be installed prior to mounting the trans to the engine. 

Since the motors are already coded for transmission type, wouldn't the pilot bearing already be installed?
Perhaps that's why JohnZ didn't mention it.

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General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro Z/28 Sequoia Green

« on: December 29, 2014, 05:41:55 AM »

I sent him the link.  With a simple statement.   "It is your car".   I thought it was legit and was 100 percent wrong.   Lies will catch up with you.   I have been dealing with the same type of thing on two purchases also from Camaro guys that know there cars.   Caught one in a lie that was just dumb.   I have learned not to trust many of the authorities on these cars.

Keep in mind that it is believed to be an original Z/28 with original drivetrain. Some where along the way someone tried to improve the marketability and didn't know what they where doing. No need to assist them where they went wrong so they can improve their skills!

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General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro Z/28 Sequoia Green

« on: December 28, 2014, 08:34:35 PM »

Kurt, I got a message back from the owner. Here is his reply.

  For once you don't know what you are talking about.... I have all the docs, owners, etc. until this car was new. It has never been decked. I have stamped hundreds of cars, but this one is original.  Why in the world would you think this pad had been decked?  

 I was just curious, as you must have some info from years past about this block? Pictures? I would love to send him a picture or some documentation. Scary, as a friend of mine was starting to look at this car kinda seriously. I have stopped him from purchasing about 6 fake cars. I love this sight, or is it site? It's late  ... Danny

The ebay seller, 9603mo, must be used to restamping big blocks then, because as Kurt mentioned the stamps are in the wrong order. That is how big blocks are stamped! I guess a little knowledge can be a bad thing.

This car was purchased by TC member TXSS for only $15,000 in March 2003. He was convinced the engine, although decked with no visible numbers, was the original MO 302 and all the casting numbers and dates he posted then are the same as the Ebay car.

Small Block:


Big block:


Ebay car:

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Restoration / Re: 67 Camaro Rear Seat - RS

« on: December 23, 2014, 08:40:04 PM »

All,

I need to replace my rear seat, 67 Camaro RS. My dad found one out of a 68 Firebird that is in pretty solid shape. Will it interchange both in fit as well as upholstery?

Thanks,
Matt

I am pretty sure all Firebirds have the rear armrest/ashtray portion and are similar to the narrow convertible and 67 deluxe interiors. What's on your 67 now? Narrow or wide? Why don't you just replace the upholstery on your existing frame?

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General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures

« on: December 19, 2014, 10:50:06 PM »

If there are other known pilot cars and they have VIN's, has anyone, other than the owner of N100001, requested the shipping reports from NCRS?

If some you CRG fellows are connected to the NCRS fellows, perhaps you could request the first 49 or so Camaro shipping reports by VIN pro bono. That might shed some light on the pilot car project.

Of course the guy who spent $250,000 to restore the first coupe and plans on spending $200,00 to restore the first convertible may have already beat you to the punch!

All of the pilot car Shipping Data Reports are now available at:

http://pilotcarregistry.com/car-list-navigation.html

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General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures

« on: December 17, 2014, 03:21:23 AM »

If there are other known pilot cars and they have VIN's, has anyone, other than the owner of N100001, requested the shipping reports from NCRS?

If some you CRG fellows are connected to the NCRS fellows, perhaps you could request the first 49 or so Camaro shipping reports by VIN pro bono. That might shed some light on the pilot car project.

Of course the guy who spent $250,000 to restore the first coupe and plans on spending $200,00 to restore the first convertible may have already beat you to the punch!

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General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures

« on: December 13, 2014, 09:15:35 PM »

The booklet shows Fisher #DD01D with Fisher Pilot Plant #21 - Detroit as the starting location.

Would that be a complete body delivered to Chev with front fenders and rolling chassis, or just the firewall back as they would be delivered during actual production?

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General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures

« on: December 13, 2014, 06:46:13 PM »

I assume you guys (Mark and Kurt) have the Chevrolet 1967 pre production build schedule booklet that kind of kicked this whole thing off. Do you know where I can see it on the web? Is CRG going to make it available?

BEFORE Chevrolets went into production, there was a pilot car; a car built by hand for fitment, ease of use for production line tools and many other reasons. In separate areas, these cars would be built, taken apart, re-fitted and more. Please read the first few pages as to the contents. It covers 49 NORWOOD-BUILT  “F-Body” Camaros and 10 LOS ANGELES built cars; 3 Camaros and 7 full size Chevrolets’ including the 427 SS Impala. In this  37-page, 5.5 x 8.5 booklet, you’ll find the specific cars, the options they were built with, production dates, delivery date, where they went and who at the dealer was to receive them! There are even personal, hand-written notes from 47 years ago.

Is this the only booklet of it's type that is known? It would seem there would be one produced every new model year, or at least every time a major model change was introduced.

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General Discussion / Re: COST OF BUYING CARS WITH OR WITHOUT RUST

« on: December 06, 2014, 05:14:18 PM »

Some people are only interested in numbers matching cars. That's not me.

I am only interested in solid body cars that are free of any major rust.

I just don't have the time and space to repair them and the cost in my area for that kind if work is very expensive.

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General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection

« on: November 21, 2014, 10:22:50 PM »

"blah blah blah... has been certified by Jerry MacNeish"

Let's hope that's not  all some people will hear and assume it's all good.

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General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection

« on: November 17, 2014, 02:51:36 AM »

Anybody watch the velocity/Barrett Jackson / ron pratte collection TV show? Very interesting.

Yes. It was nice to see the collection, but it felt like the whole thing was an infomercial.

How many times did Steve Davis say "once in a lifetime opportunity'? And does he really need those sunglasses all the time? I know he has an eye condition that requires them on the brightly lit auction stage, but there seems to be no known picture of him without them.

And Cleo Shelby was/is quite a looker. Must have made Carroll a happy man at some point. Glad they got that feud over the body settled!

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General Discussion / Re: Documented 1970 RS Z/28 National Press Camaro

« on: November 11, 2014, 05:51:28 PM »

Don't see too many CA Manufacturer license plates.

Car was on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/181529908430

I have seen more CA MFG plates than I have seen build sheets with special notes. Do you have a lot of build sheets with special notes at CRG?

15 seems to be a popular CA MFG plate number, perhaps it's assigned to GM?

Living in CA I see a few MFG plates on the highway these days. Some CA some MI. I just saw a pair of camouflaged cars with MI MFG plates zipping down the 405 freeway late at night with light traffic. I was tempted to see where they were going!

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General Discussion / Re: Heartbeat Camaro 'Motherload'

« on: November 09, 2014, 02:20:43 AM »

Old muscle car parts are like diamonds.
By that, I mean price is controlled by supply vs demand. There is no true shortage of diamonds, yet they are valuable.
There are many stock piles of old parts out there. Everybody that's been around these cars for a while knows someone with a stash of parts they are holding onto, hoping for a big payday.