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Wiper motor stamping
« on: April 23, 2024, 11:36:24 AM »
Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.

It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.

Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2024, 12:37:12 PM »
They were stamped like that. Here's one from an early 67 I did using Mason Row stamps. Car is gone and don't believe I have a TT pic anymore. Sent it to Kurt.
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2024, 03:28:45 PM »
Nice Scott Nailed it, IMO.
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 12:54:41 AM »
That’s pretty damn nice right there.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 05:07:18 AM »
Tim, I think the date is reasonable for your build date.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2024, 12:50:09 AM »
What is the font called?

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2024, 03:20:24 PM »
What is the font called?

Great question!

Does anyone know the font type?

What about the ink color?
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2024, 05:04:04 PM »
I just picked out a font years ago that Mason Row PEGz had available at the time. It is not exact, the 6 is different. I've been in the lettering, graphics, custom paint and auto restoration biz forty years, and used a color I had in stock. You can use anything at the hardware store or buy an ink that's close. Doing the stamp is ridiculously easy. Maybe you can find a stamp company with the exact font or have one made if a judge is going to fail you for a slight difference. Not sure if everyone who restores a wiper motor is adding the stampings...I never looked.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2024, 04:01:31 PM »
Of the fonts I have on my computer these are the 3 that are close but none are correct.

I sent a message to BC Stamps, the place that Llyod uses for his stamps.

edit - forgot to add the font samples
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2024, 04:37:33 PM »
FWIW "yellow-julian date" font was different in 1968 model year. could be supplier driven
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2024, 06:40:58 PM »
Of the fonts I have on my computer these are the 3 that are close but none are correct.

I sent a message to BC Stamps, the place that Llyod uses for his stamps.

edit - forgot to add the font samples

I got a response from Leo at BC stamps. He said unfortunately he can't match the font.

So I guess it's one of those three I posted. I do have a CD with 3003 fonts on it but not sure I'm going to go through everyone of them. Who knows, the wiper motor is pretty far down on the list of things to get done and it's not like you can stamp it once it's installed.
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2024, 09:12:53 PM »
Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.

It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.

Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?


Can you post the height of your original stamped numbers?


Tx, Bernie
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2024, 09:40:04 PM »

Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.

It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.

Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?


Can you post the height of your original stamped numbers?


Tx, Bernie

They appear to be 3/8" tall and 1/4' wide as best I can measure.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2024, 11:43:00 PM »
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2024, 12:30:09 AM »
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.

.25 is a tad too small.
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2024, 02:18:40 AM »
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.

.25 is a tad too small.
Use the .375 stamps if that's what yours is. The result can become larger after the stamp is loaded with paint as mine did. And any letter or number that is rounded on top or bottom is taller than one that is not rounded. An "O" is taller than an "E". Quite evident when someone hand letters, does not know this and their job is wrong. Any sign painter or artist might be happy to duplicate your font with precision.


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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2024, 02:14:08 AM »
Any sign painter or artist might be happy to duplicate your font with precision.
That's a really good suggestion.
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2024, 04:42:18 PM »
I assume these date code stamps appeared in 69...........?

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2024, 12:23:45 AM »
Here is what I’ve found, vintage United Delco. Font and technique is about spot on.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2024, 05:11:29 AM »
After falling down the rabbit hole…..
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf

I’ll have to measure the one on my wiper motor….
calculations of .375=3/8”=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32”=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2024, 03:34:26 PM »
David, Here is my (1968) LOS stamping Different Font in my opinion.
Added clearer photo
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2024, 04:31:38 PM »
NOR 03D - 45 68AB


LOS 12D - 32267AB (or possibly 22267AB)


EDIT:  Adding 2 more examples

67 BAL Chevelle 04C - 89 67FB

67 ??   - 158 66
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2024, 04:52:40 PM »
Definitely different fonts and I'm thinking the stamp wasn't given much thought,  as long as it made it on the part.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2024, 03:24:53 AM »
The original one quit sometime in the late 80s, and I had a service replacement installed. I picked up this one from Pace Car Jeff last summer.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2024, 10:03:07 AM »
After falling down the rabbit hole…..
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf

I’ll have to measure the one on my wiper motor….
calculations of .375=3/8”=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32”=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font

Nice find. I looked through the brochure and the Roman font. The 6 and 7 don't appear to match up with Roman on the 67 model stampings.

I installed 3000 fonts on my computer and will try to get through most of them this weekend. Hopefully I can find a match and then someone to make a stamp with it.
-Tim
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2024, 12:08:51 PM »
After falling down the rabbit hole…..
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf

I’ll have to measure the one on my wiper motor….
calculations of .375=3/8”=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32”=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font

Nice find. I looked through the brochure and the Roman font. The 6 and 7 don't appear to match up with Roman on the 67 model stampings.

I installed 3000 fonts on my computer and will try to get through most of them this weekend. Hopefully I can find a match and then someone to make a stamp with it.
I've been in the business for decades. If I need certain artwork done for a job, I draw it myself. Then a printer or sign shop scans it and produces the product I need. Very easy process. And sign shops have programs that can manipulate any font or drawing.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2024, 05:33:20 PM »
Indy: I find it interesting there is no spacing on the stamp. Probably because it was stamped with something.

Can't repeat: Definitely a different font. It appears an8 band stamper with letter on the end are applicable some of the time.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2024, 05:54:45 PM »
I went though the fonts and while none of them are an exact match these are the best of the lot.



« Last Edit: May 03, 2024, 07:11:41 PM by CantRepeat »
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2024, 06:16:06 PM »
Here is what I’ve found, vintage United Delco. Font and technique is about spot on.

Steve

Steve,

If I mail you a self-addessed stamped envelope, can you stamp "058 68" on an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of white printer paper and mail it back to me?  Then, I can get a rubber stamp made with that date code.  If interested, please PM a mailing address for my envelope.  Thanks!

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2024, 11:14:46 PM »
I've order a stamp made with the Introit font and will post the results once I get it.

The rest of the restoration turned out ok. I think the screws holding the pump nozzles came out too shiny for the zinc but I was able to find the correct color nozzles. Most of the repops are bright white and don't match.

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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2024, 06:37:20 PM »
Late to this party, been away for awhile. There was a lot of research done on this subject in the 90's(?), also briefly mentioned in the old 'Camaro Enthusiast' magazine (Jan. 1998). There were 2 different styles documented (at that time) and the author went to great lengths to track down the stampers. Don't think he participates on this forum anymore but I'll reach out to him?
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2024, 06:48:36 PM »
This is the style we decided was correct for my 04D/LOS car
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Re: Wiper motor stamping
« Reply #32 on: Today at 05:59:21 PM »
Wow the washer pump cover is clearly different than my 11B LOS.

The stamping doesn't match either.

Wasn't there discussion about using different vendors at some point?

This is really interesting. Thanks for the post! I really appreciate it.
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