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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: mjsmilford on October 18, 2005, 11:15:49 PM
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were Z/28 stripes available as an optional paint upgrade in 69 ie 6 cyl coupe w/rally stripes.
or could you only get that w/a Z/28
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Z28 all three years, and the Z28's, Z10s and Z11s 69 only.
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well i have Z stripes on my car, its a 69 supposidly SS.
last documented paint was early 80's. orig. trunk lid had no striping under spoiler.
so what your saying is that an SS could have been ordered w/ Z/28 stripes?
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No, a 69 SS would have a set of hockey stick stripes on the side. Those were the only stripes you could get on an SS. Rally stripes were only available on Z28's, Z10's and Z11's.
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thanks for the info,i just thought that the car could have been ordered w/rally stripes.
it has every sign of being a SS,except that elusive X-code (12A car)
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Does the partial vin on the 6 cyl match the cars vin?
- No Z stripes except on a Z28, or a Pace car (Z10, Z11)
- No SS stripes except on an SS
- No 6 cyl SS
There is a ton of knowledge on this site. Post photos of the vin, engine stamp, and cowl tag. Not all questions can be answered, but those photos will help with many of the questions that can be answered.
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Hi Mark and Tom, regarding the Z stripes I thought if you ordered an SS with the cowl hood option 1969 that you could also order the Z stripes. If I am wrong I have been mistaken for over 30 years and I am not to old to learn something new. Am I reading your post correctly?
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Hi Mark and Tom, regarding the Z stripes I thought if you ordered an SS with the cowl hood option 1969 that you could also order the Z stripes.
Nope, as Mark stated above... "Rally stripes were only available on Z28's, Z10's and Z11's".
Paul
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Does the partial vin on the 6 cyl match the cars vin?
- No Z stripes except on a Z28, or a Pace car (Z10, Z11)
- No SS stripes except on an SS
- No 6 cyl SS
There is a ton of knowledge on this site. Post photos of the vin, engine stamp, and cowl tag. Not all questions can be answered, but those photos will help with many of the questions that can be answered.
D90 striping was included with SS; optional on any Camaro that did not have other striping.
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Dealers added stripes to cars. They also added spoilers and other add-ons.
I don't see how you could factory RPO order the stripe without the package it normally came with. It was not an option listed as available so rhetoricaly, how would you have done it? :)
-Mark.
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There were 3 optional stripes for '69:
DX1-nose striping that extended onto the hood. Not included with any option.
D90-the "hockey stick" stripe that included the fenders & doors. Included on SS.
D96-fender pin striping. Included with Z21 except Z/28 & SS.
According to ordering info a car was limited to one striping treatment. However Z10s & Z11s had both Z/28 striping and D96 pin stripes. No Z/28 is known to have both. Z/28 striping was never listed as an option.
Chevrolet did build stripe delete SS and Z/28.
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Skunk stripes on a very nice ss396 moved a 2 year "stock class" winner to "modified class" at Super Chevy....joe
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There were 3 optional stripes for '69:
DX1-nose striping that extended onto the hood. Not included with any option.
D90-the "hockey stick" stripe that included the fenders & doors. Included on SS.
D96-fender pin striping. Included with Z21 except Z/28 & SS.
According to ordering info a car was limited to one striping treatment. However Z10s & Z11s had both Z/28 striping and D96 pin stripes. No Z/28 is known to have both. Z/28 striping was never listed as an option.
Chevrolet did build stripe delete SS and Z/28.
William
Where can I find more info on the DX1 option? What did it look like? Would it be listed anywhere? like on the cowl tag?
Thanks
Chris
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Awesome sight! Teaches me something all the time. Great feedback!
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DX1 photo. Don't know who's car this is, photo is from Carlisle 2008.
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For those who like rare stuff check out ZL-1 #68. It is the only 69 known to have been built with the DX1 stripe and a ducted hood.
(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/JJZ109/DX1ZL1.jpg)
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I was referred to this thread after posting the 'DX1 stripe question' in Originality to view the rare, one-of-a-kind ZL-1 wearing this stripe. I didn't notice this at first but since it is an RS and not an SS badged car shouldn't it have 'rallysport' on the fender, not 'Camaro'? Is this the factory original way of badging a ZL-1?
Al
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Yes it should have Rally Sport on the fender...
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It is correct for a COPO. Has to do with the fact the COPO order started with a SS then pulled off the SS emblems.
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Would a stripe delete Z/28 or SS be a - - special paint code on trim tag? How would the assembly line know not to paint the stripes?
Jimmy V.
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It is correct for a COPO. Has to do with the fact the COPO order started with a SS then pulled off the SS emblems.
I'm confused, if a COPO order started with an SS then pulled off the SS emblems, why is it badged with RS on the grill? I thought all SS cars with the RS treatments were always badged SS front and back along with the fenders. Is this a one-of-a-kind treatment reserved for the ZL-1 or could other SS cars come factory badged RS? So this car has the SS holes filled in on the fender?
Al
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Because the COPOs are not SS's. They started the assembly process with SS options but ended with base Camaro (or RS it so ordered) emblems. On a normal Camaro SS badging over rode RS emblems when the car was ordered as an SS with the RS option.
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http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
"The remainder of the car was built using standard assembly procedures and components as employed on a Camaro SS with the L78 engine, with some other exceptions. A document titled "Exception control letter sheet" was used to outline parts that were to be deleted and / or substituted from the SS L78 package. One example is the starter: an L78 used an 11" clutch, the ZL-1 used the 10.34", and so starter 1108418 was replaced with 1108351 on the 4-speed and 1108400 on the automatics. This system also explains why COPO's built as rally sports do not have the rally sport fender emblems. The "Camaro SS" badging was initially specified and the document "deducted" the SS, leaving only the "Camaro" emblem on the fender. There was no external indication of the engine. Assembly line workers wrote "427" in crayon on the inside of the fender extensions so the fenders would not be pierced for emblems as all other 8 cylinder Camaros were. All ZL-1 cars were equipped with AIR pumps and Gibbs' cars were produced with standard N10 dual exhaust."
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Thanks for explaining this curious oddity and pointing me to the COPO article, somehow I missed that.
With the absence of engine size on the fender along with the non-blacked-out tailpan, the ZL-1 must have been quite the "mystery car" before hearing it running. This was one major "sleeper"!!!
Al
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hi, new to this section of this great site. have been posting over on the trans-am thread. I live in ontario canada. don't know if this is the correct spot for this question ? in 1970 a friend of mine had a 69 z/28, frost green, no spoilers & no stripes. I remember when I first saw it, I thought it had been hit and re-painted. the car came out of illinois. is there any documentation as to how many stripe & spoiler delete cars were built.
thanks, mike
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Spoilers were optional until early April '69. At that time they were included with Z/28 equipment and the option price increased to $506.60.
There is no way to know how many Z/28s were built without spoilers or striping.
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thanks william ! for the quick reply.
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Thanks for explaining this curious oddity and pointing me to the COPO article, somehow I missed that.
With the absence of engine size on the fender along with the non-blacked-out tailpan, the ZL-1 must have been quite the "mystery car" before hearing it running. This was one major "sleeper"!!!
Yes it was! For most, the only signs was to hear it run, or open the hood.